Incident #1000302
Estacada, Clackamus Cty, Oregon
Nov 1968
Account
Glen Thomas said he followed a double set of 16-inch tracks in the snow for seven to 10 miles one day, going downhill, part of the time on a logging road. Near the bottom of the valley the snow ran out. He returned early the next morning to look for more tracks and instead, about a half mile away in a logged-off area 200 feet from the road saw two creatures asleep in the snow near a swampy creek. He settled down to watch with binoculars from 100 yards away. They slept with their backs to the sky, their limbs drawn in under them, heads on hands. One rolled on its side, then returned to original position. Some trees were nearby but they had not bothered with shelter. When they woke up they moved into the creek and started eating water weeds. Both were females. One appeared swollen the the genital region, and every 15 minutes or so would run its hand through this area for a couple of minutes. It made a wailing noise which he thought was a call. It also stepped up on a two-foot stump in the creekbed, bent forward 45 degrees, knees slightly bent, and defacated in the water, then wiped itself with its hand and licked the hand briefly. After eating a while both lay down again in a new location. After an hour they got up and crossed the road, and the swollen one climbed a few feet up a dead yew tree and wailed. They then moved off into the timber. Thomas was frozen and frightened, so went home. Next day it showed heavily and it was a month before he could get back there. He could not find anything.
When
- Month
- Nov
- Year
- 1968
- Season
- fall
- Time of Day
- early morning
- Duration
- 3 to 6 hours
Where
- State / province
- Oregon
- County
- Clackamus Cty
- Nearest Town
- Estacada
- Direction from Town
- Southeast
- Distance from Town
- 37
- Population of Town
- 1000
- Elevation/Altitude
- 20
- Latitude
- 44544-
- Longitude
- 121502-
What was seen
- Individuals
- two large females
- Total Individuals
- 2
- Population Status
- wild
- First Seen
- in
- Terrain Object
- open
- Near or/at
- water
- Related incident id
- 1000298, 1000300, 1000303, 1000305
- Shot Hit
- No
- Tracks
- found previously
Witnesses
- Witness(es) Sex
- Male
- Report type
- 1st person
Setting
- Terrain
- valley
- Exact Terrain
- stream
- Slope
- easy
- Slope Faced
- East
- Nearby Water
- creek
- Distance to Water
- contact
- Ground condition
- frozen
- Snow Condition
- shallow old
- Cover
- none
- Unnatural Conditions
- cleared
- General
- some small
- Undergrowth
- none
- Undergrowth type
- logging slash
- Unnatural
- cleared
- General undergrowth
- none
Weather and light
- Heat
- cold
- Relative Temperature
- cold
- Snow
- early snow
- Clarity
- overcast
- Lighting
- heavy cloud
- Visibility Index
- 10
Source
- Source
- Glen Thomas intv. by John Green
- Source Type
- computer survey
- Source Date
- JUN 70
- Source reliability
- 9
- Incident reliablility
- 5
- Jwg file date
- 1969
- Incident type
- 3
Creature description 1
- Hair Covered
- yes
- Height
- 6 ft
- Build
- very heavy
- Posture
- stooped
- Hair Length
- medium
- Appearance
- unkempt
- Hair Colour
- dark brown
- Neck Length
- no neck
- Shoulders
- wide
- Shoulder Shape
- hunched
- Head Profile
- high in back
- Breast
- pendulous
- Abdomen
- protruding
- Legs
- medium
- Leg Width
- medium
- Toes
- medium
- Arms
- medium
- Movement
- sleeping
- Direction
- Southwest
- Later Movement
- got up, ate, made a noise
- Walking Stride
- long
- Walking Speed
- slow
- Arms Action
- swinging
- Arms Used
- for eating
- Object Handled
- vegetable matter
- Sound
- scream
- Elimination
- defacating
- Elimination Where
- in water
- Other Activity
- rubbed genitals, called
- Eating
- foliage
- Reaction
- did not see
- Attracted By
- natural food plants
- Water Activity
- wade in, wade out
- Use of Water
- eat plants
- Water Depth
- near shore shallow
- Other Unusual Y/N
- Yes
- Describe Unsual
- Slept on their drawn in limbs, backs to sky, hands under heads.
- Genitals
- female
- Evidence Left
- footprints
- Additional Movement
- defacated, crossed road, entered woods
- Position when first seen
- lying down
Creature description 2
- Hair Covered
- yes
- Height
- 6 ft
- Build
- very heavy
- Posture
- stooped
- Hair Length
- medium
- Appearance
- unkempt
- Hair Colour
- dark brown
- Neck Length
- no neck
- Shoulders
- wide
- Shoulder Shape
- hunched
- Head Profile
- high in back
- Breast
- pendulous
- Abdomen
- protruding
- Legs
- medium
- Leg Width
- medium
- Arms
- medium
- Movement
- sleeping
- Direction
- Southwest
- Later Movement
- got up, ate, slept
- Walking Stride
- long
- Walking Speed
- slow
- Arms Action
- swinging
- Arms Used
- for eating
- Object Handled
- vegetable matter
- Eating
- foliage
- Reaction
- did not see
- Attracted By
- natural food plants
- Water Activity
- wade in
- Use of Water
- eat plants
- Water Depth
- near shore shallow
- Genitals
- not visible
- Evidence Left
- footprints
- Additional Movement
- got up, crossed road, entered woods
- Position when first seen
- lying down
Footprints
- Set of Tracks
- 2
- Footprint Length
- 16.0
- Average Depth
- 1.00
- Heel
- 1.25
- Observer Print Depth
- 0.00
- Observer Weight
- 165
- Stride in Inches Average
- 53
- Estimated Age
- 1
- Age Unit
- days
- Number of Tracks
- 10000
- Trail Followed Y/N
- Yes
- Trail Ended Naturally Y/N
- Yes
- Track Condition
- poor
- Track Drag or Slide
- no drag or slide
- Pattern of walk
- straight
- Feet in Line?
- in line
- Direction of Travel
- Northeast, downhill
- Material Tracks Made in
- soft deep snow, hard shallow snow
- Tracks Came From
- hillside
- Tracks Went to
- water
- Remarks
- Glen Thomas encountered the tracks at 3500 feet as he came over a;ridge from another valley. They went Northeast, but when the two;creatures walked off the following day they went Southwest. There;were no drag or slide marks even where the tracks sank 18 inches;deep in soft snow on the ridge. Only one track report, as both sets;the same.
Witness
- Wildlife Familiarity
- considerable
- Sex
- Male
- Interviewer
- John Green
- Interview date
- JUN 28 1970
- Witness Saw with
- binoculars
- Observer Was
- sasq. hunting
- Moving Y/N
- No
- Position
- lying down
- Making Noise Y/N
- No
- Closest horizontal distance
- 100 yards
- Farthest horizontal distance
- 200 yards
- Least vertical distance
- 10 feet
- Action on sighting
- stayed still, studied
- No of witnesses
- 1
- Track witnesses
- 1
- Age
- 41 to 50
- Other report by this witness
- 5