Incident #1000298
Estacada, Clackamus Cty, Oregon
Nov 1967
Account
Glen Thomas, swamping for a catskinner on a logging operation but with nothing to do for a while, went walking along a trail to keep warm on a day when fog was freezing on the trees and ice was noisily falling off. Unheard, he came within about 50 feet of three animals on a rockpile topping a ridge slightly above him. A large male and a female were squatted down picking up rocks, smelling them and putting them down in stacks. They moved about 50 feet in 15 minutes doing this, then the male dug down into the rockpile, making the jagged rocks fly, some of them over 100 pounds. He brought out a grass nest from which all three dug out hibernating rodents, six or eight in all, and ate them as a human would eat a banana, cramming them in in a few bites. They then seemed to realize he was there, stood up and dashed "faster than a horse" around the hill and out of sight behind tree limbs. The mother carried the baby in front of her. The baby had to dig out his own rodent, and it kept on the side of its mother away from the male, so he doubted if they were a family. The male was over six feet tall, dirty brown, with much longer hair on his head, shoulder and neck, hanging down in strings. He was very wide at the waist and got wider from there up. When squatted down they had to bend forward to pick up rocks, their arms were not long enough to reach. Thumbs were apparently lower down on the wrist than humans', they did not use them in grasping rocks. The female was smaller, and fawn coloured. Her breasts were lower on her chest than a human's. All were very heavily built, but the female was not as heavily muscled as the male and her features were less coarse. The young one was much smaller. The next day Thomas looked for tracks but found only a couple of partial imprints that he could not connect with the creatures he had seen. The hole dug in the rocks was five feet deep and almost as steep-sided as a well. It is still there, and it seems questionable whether humans could make it, even with mechanical assistance. Jim Hewkin, a retired wildlife biologist, has since found several similar holes in deposits of loose rock in the general area, all of them, to judge by moss and weathering, older than the Thomas hole.
When
- Observation Date
- NOV 08 1967
- Month
- Nov
- Year
- 1967
- Season
- fall
- Time of Day
- early afternoon
- Duration
- quarter hour
Where
- State / province
- Oregon
- County
- Clackamus Cty
- Nearest Town
- Estacada
- Direction from Town
- Southeast
- Distance from Town
- 30
- Population of Town
- 1400
- Elevation/Altitude
- 50
- Latitude
- 44580-
- Longitude
- 121563-
What was seen
- Individuals
- male, female and small
- Total Individuals
- 3
- Population Status
- wild
- First Seen
- in
- Terrain Object
- open
- Near or/at
- trail
- Super Human Action
- Dug vertical hole 5 feet deep, lifting huge rocks
- Related incident id
- 1000300, 1000302, 1000303, 1000305
- Shot Hit
- No
Witnesses
- Witness(es) Sex
- Male
- Report type
- 1st person
Setting
- Terrain
- alpine
- Exact Terrain
- ridge
- Slope
- ridge crest
- Substratum
- broken rock
- Ground condition
- frozen
- Cover
- spotty
- Tree size
- mostly large
- Tree condition
- mostly mature
- Tree type
- coniferous
- General
- none
- Undergrowth
- sparse
- General undergrowth
- none
Weather and light
- Heat
- normal
- Relative Temperature
- cold
- Rainfall
- normal
- Snow
- no snow
- Wind
- windy
- Clarity
- fog
- Humidity
- high
- Lighting
- heavy cloud
- Visibility Index
- 10
Source
- Source
- Glen Thomas intv. by John Green. Also tape recordi
- Source Type
- computer survey
- Source Date
- MAY 70
- Source reliability
- 10
- Incident reliablility
- 7
- Jwg file date
- 1968
- Incident type
- 1
Creature description 1
- Hair Covered
- yes
- Height
- 6 ft
- Build
- very heavy
- Posture
- erect
- Hair Length
- medium
- Appearance
- unkempt
- Hair Colour
- dark brown
- Hair Longer on
- head, shoulders
- Teeth
- even
- Chin Y/N
- No
- Projecting Jaw Y/N
- No
- Neck Length
- short
- Neck Width
- wide
- Shoulders
- wide
- Shoulder Shape
- sloped
- Face Appeared
- catlike
- Head Profile
- high in back
- Back of Head
- sloped to shoulder
- Forehead
- low
- Forehead Shape
- sloped back
- Nose
- no snout
- Nose Shape
- small nose
- Tail
- none
- Mouth Open?
- sometimes open
- Lips
- thin
- Mouth Size
- small
- Torso Front
- wide
- Torso Shape
- widest at top
- Torso Side
- wide
- Abdomen
- no protrusion
- Buttocks
- like human
- Legs
- long
- Leg Width
- heavy
- Heel
- protruding
- Arms
- medium
- Arm Bulk
- bulky
- Hands Appearance
- humanlike
- Thumb
- short, non-opposed
- Movement
- picking up
- Later Movement
- travelled parallel, picked something up, ate
- Walking Stride
- short
- Walking Speed
- slow
- Running Stride
- long
- Running Speed
- fast
- Movement re observer
- towards observer
- Arms Action
- reaching
- Arms Used
- for picking up, for digging, for eating
- Object Handled
- rock, animal matter
- Sound
- blowing
- Eating
- small animal
- Reaction
- fled from
- Attracted By
- wild animal prey
- Other Unusual Y/N
- Yes
- Describe Unsual
- Did not appear to use its thumbs. Made blowing noises fluttering upper lip, seemed to be in reply to grunts from female. Had no hair in armpit, and hair at point of shoulder divided in every direction, leaving a slightly bare spot.
- Genitals
- not visible
- Foot Width
- wide
- Evidence Left
- rearranged rocks
- Estimated Top Speed (mph)
- ex fast
- Additional Movement
- ran, entered woods
- Position when first seen
- squatting
Creature description 2
- Hair Covered
- yes
- Height
- 5-6 ft
- Build
- very heavy
- Posture
- erect
- Hair Length
- medium
- Appearance
- unkempt
- Hair Colour
- light brown
- Hair Longer on
- shoulders
- Teeth
- even
- Chin Y/N
- No
- Projecting Jaw Y/N
- No
- Neck Length
- short
- Neck Width
- wide
- Face Appeared
- catlike
- Head Profile
- high in back
- Back of Head
- sloped to shoulder
- Forehead
- low
- Forehead Shape
- sloped back
- Nose
- no snout
- Nose Shape
- small nose
- Tail
- none
- Mouth Open?
- sometimes open
- Lips
- thin
- Mouth Size
- small
- Torso Front
- wide
- Torso Shape
- widest at bottom
- Breast
- large
- Torso Side
- wide
- Abdomen
- no protrusion
- Buttocks
- like human
- Legs
- long
- Leg Width
- heavy
- Heel
- protruding
- Arms
- medium
- Arm Bulk
- medium
- Hands Appearance
- humanlike
- Thumb
- non-opposed, short
- Movement
- picking up
- Later Movement
- travelled parallel, picked something up, ate
- Walking Stride
- short
- Walking Speed
- slow
- Running Stride
- long
- Running Speed
- fast
- Arms Used
- for picking up, for eating, for carrying
- Object Handled
- rock, animal matter, infant
- Sound
- grunt
- Eating
- small animal
- Reaction
- fled from
- Attracted By
- wild animal prey
- Other Unusual Y/N
- Yes
- Describe Unsual
- Kneeling at first, stood up when eating, carried baby across her lap. Tore nest apart and let baby take first rodent but did not hand it to him. She and the male each made their own stacks of rocks.
- Genitals
- not visible
- Feet
- medium
- Evidence Left
- rearranged rocks
- Estimated Top Speed (mph)
- ex fast
- Additional Movement
- picked something up, ran, hid
- Position when first seen
- kneeling
Creature description 3
- Hair Covered
- yes
- Height
- 3-4 ft
- Build
- heavy
- Posture
- erect
- Hair Length
- short
- Appearance
- unkempt
- Hair Colour
- dark brown
- Neck Length
- short
- Neck Width
- small
- Shoulders
- narrow
- Head Profile
- high in back
- Forehead
- low
- Forehead Shape
- sloped back
- Nose
- no snout
- Nose Shape
- small nose
- Mouth Open?
- sometimes open
- Lips
- thin
- Mouth Size
- small
- Torso Front
- wide
- Torso Shape
- widest at bottom
- Torso Side
- wide
- Abdomen
- protruding
- Buttocks
- like human
- Legs
- medium
- Leg Width
- thin
- Arms
- medium
- Arm Bulk
- thin
- Movement
- staying still
- Later Movement
- picked something up, ate
- Walking Stride
- short
- Walking Speed
- slow
- Arms Used
- for eating, hanging onto something
- Object Handled
- animal matter
- Eating
- small animal
- Other Unusual Y/N
- Yes
- Describe Unsual
- Held onto mother's hair all it could, looked at her, didn't look around, seemed to try to keep out of the male's reach.
- Additional Movement
- fled
Witness
- Wildlife Familiarity
- considerable
- Sex
- Male
- Interviewer
- John Green
- Interview date
- MAY 27 1970
- Witness Saw with
- naked eye
- Observer Was
- logging, walking
- Moving Y/N
- Yes
- Position
- upright
- Making Noise Y/N
- Yes
- Closest horizontal distance
- 75 feet
- Least vertical distance
- 10 feet
- Action on sighting
- stayed still, studied
- No of witnesses
- 1
- Age
- 41 to 50
- Other report by this witness
- 5